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But, I mean, isn’t that just another way of saying — I mean, how do you assess this clear cost, other than by making a judgment about the public interest? LORD O’DONNELL: Well, it is a judgment about public interest, but at the moment the public interest, I mean what does that mean? We need a bit more guidance about what constitutes the public interest, because I think at the moment very little has been said about the problems of improving government decision making because you have got this situation where people have started to either not ask for information or not want to write it down.

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